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hey everybody how you doing today we're

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going to talk about what is arguably the

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most well-documented UFO case uh in the

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world and there's been many Jay and I

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know myself I'm an Enthusiast on these

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cases but until you speak to somebody

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who's a witness and that's very hard to

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do how many actual UFO encounter

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military people uh can are still alive

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that have interesting stories so uh

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we're talking about rendersham Forest

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today uh you know for many of you uh

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that are familiar with the story I think

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you might get some new insights from

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John he also has some new projects

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involving uap's military his insights

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are unique they're a little different

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than what a lot of our guests think uh

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so I'm we're going to ask them all the

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questions and we're also going to ask

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them to explain what happened from his

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perspective and I've also read varying

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accounts from uh some of his cohorts

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that were there as well too so maybe he

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can clarify that I'm excited Jay it's

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welcome back everybody to another

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episode of UAP studies podcast my name

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messaging like every day uh yeah so if

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guest normally we're talking about

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people that are researchers

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um you know our media TV based people

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it's not very off and you get an actual

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experiencer and something of you know a

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case of this size I mean rendersham

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Forest is arguably the world's best

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documented UFO case and we have Mr John

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Burroughs on the show here today uh so

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welcome Mr John Burroughs first of all

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thanks for having me yeah pleasure sir

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again I know you've probably told your

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story at nauseum but a lot of people

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maybe don't know the specifics or it's

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easy to blend in facts from other cases

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and kind of Get a Cloudy Judgment of

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that so

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um you know December 26 1980 3 A.M what

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well Reynolds an interesting story

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because it's been uh branded as uh the

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British Roswell incident

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because you know obviously it happened

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outside of military location military

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was involved we were on duty and we were

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I was riding around my supervisor at

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that point in the night uh he was new to

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the base

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so we were just getting chatting back

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and forth when he saw something strange

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in the sky coming down into the forest

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you got my attention and asked me if I

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see anything like that before and I said

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no I've been there for over a year and a

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half been you know on patrol numerous

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times numerous thousands of times or

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whatever

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down in that area I've been on the gate

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at night so I've never seen anything

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quite like that

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so it went into the forest itself uh

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it was just called what we did we

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decided to go off open up the back gate

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and go down the road

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that led to a t which you go left

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towards bent Waters or right towards a

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British Village I don't remember the

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name of it but the forest was right

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across the road and you could see in

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into the forest you could see strange

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lights like red green blue white and uh

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so you kind of did a half U-turn let me

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open the door as I got out of the

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vehicle it just seemed strange it was

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like electricity in the air

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uh everything

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seemed I don't know if it was slower but

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it just felt different so at that point

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we realized there was something going on

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and we were off base we hadn't told

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anybody so we drove back up

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to the gate Shack that had a direct line

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called uh the desk to transfer this to

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CSC we briefed them on what was going on

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they sent down the Security Supervisor

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you got down to the gate saw the same

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things in the course that we were seeing

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he got on the phone and a decision was

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made to send him his writer and I went

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as and we went out there together the

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three of us out into the forest uh one

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of the things that was going on why we

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first called it in and then when he was

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well they called out radar who then they

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started making phone calls to other

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radar locations and it was identified

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that there was something that had been

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seen on radar over our location that

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thought or felt that there possibly

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something and went down or crashed into

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the forest and they had notified the

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British authorities both the fire

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department and the police but we also

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decided since it was just outside the

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gate to go out and take a look and see

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what was going on

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we I'm sorry you have a question uh well

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I did uh I didn't want to cut you off

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there uh how far were you from this

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object when you felt the uh the

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electricity in the air you said that it

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was almost like time had slowed down for

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you how far away were you from the

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object oh no at that point because we

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were just on the road and you know

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whatever it was we didn't get close

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enough to it it was in the forest okay

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we didn't get close enough to it until

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later when we went out you know in the

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vehicle into the forest itself

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we uh Departed the base went down on a

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Logging Road that led into the forest we

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uh could see the lights uh people always

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asked me what I was seeing I I've said

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from the beginning I looked back a weird

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Christmas light display

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um so and there was a white light that

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would seem to be like maybe moving

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forward and backwards a little bit we

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got to a fence where we couldn't drive

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the vehicle anymore got off got out of

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the vehicle climbed over the fence and

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then went further into the forest

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eventually after I wouldn't I don't want

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to know if I want to caught a cat Mouse

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game but it seemed like sometimes we

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were getting closer to it than we were

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than we and we were but we came we got

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father down into the forest where at the

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time we didn't know this but later when

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we went back and backtracked everything

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there was was it towards the end of the

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forest line and then there was another

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fence line going into a farmer's field

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and we came up on a burn and their

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lights were still there as you came up

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on the berm

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the uh and came up to the top of the

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berm whatever it was was there and uh

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the light got really bright uh the three

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of us hit the ground and then it seemed

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to dim

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and then get bright again and go up and

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pick off now the other two that were

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with me have different memories of what

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happened I don't know do you want me to

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go into those sure yeah sure yeah okay

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the one guy uh who well I'll just

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identify him what the team leader with

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staff sergeant peniston it was myself

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and then an Airman it was his first

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night on duty Believe It or Not uh by

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the name of Airman command sack uh he

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has done a couple interviews a few years

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ago he said he remember we got close to

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it and then we uh and both him and

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peniston said that I was armed which I

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don't I I remembered leaving my weapon

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at the gate with Stevens but they both

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claimed that I was armed he claimed that

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I drew my weapon and then we all blacked

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out so that's the initial one we got

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close to it uh peniston well when we got

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closer there was like a more of a static

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electricity in the air and I don't know

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you asked me how close we were probably

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and it's been like over 40 years but

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we're probably 20 yards or less you know

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what I mean but you got to remember now

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it was bright light so but we were close

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peniston says that he actually got up

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uh and walk around it

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uh put stuff in his notebook

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touched it and had a binary download

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then it went up according to him into

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the sky I remember it

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the liked him that got bright and went

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back up and then went out towards the

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coast so at that point the three of us

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uh went up and over the fence into the

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farmers field we saw something out

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towards the um The Cottages that were

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down there they've called it the

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farmer's house over the years but when

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we went back there a few years ago that

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was not the farmer's house the owner of

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the property didn't even live there

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these were Cottages they were down at

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the end of the field but we saw us like

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a bluish light down you know like down

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by the by the farmer or the Cottages I

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called Farmers house but so at that

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point we went across the field towards

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the um towards the Cottages now here's

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what I want to clarify for all these

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people that have wanted to go with this

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Lighthouse stereo in the Years uh a guy

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in England came out with it well the

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issue is first of all the first

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originally tried to say we could see

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Lighthouse from the back gate which we

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couldn't you then you know stated that

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once you know we could see the

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lighthouse since we you know once we

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went into the field well that's correct

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and Ed's it might stay when we both said

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we saw a beaker when we got down by the

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Cottages but prior to the Cottages we

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were we were in the forest and we didn't

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see the beacon in what we encountered

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was not the lighthouse so for that

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that's still floating around he still

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tries to come around and say it was the

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lighthouse we had an encounter with

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something in the forest before we

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entered the field

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and at that point we got down by the

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Cottages we proceeded into a second

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field at one point peniston split off

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from us we continued towards the coast

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and we did see like some blue lights or

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a blue light streak across the sky in

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front of us farther out and at that

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point

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we eventually got to the coast

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and looked down and and that's when we

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identified the beacon for sure for what

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it was which was the lighthouse now we

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can go deeper into this later but the

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lighthouse may have played a part in all

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this but not the way the one guy rid Pat

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tried to say it did but anyway so at

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that point we had lost radio contact on

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and off during the whole um the whole

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event and at one point when we got back

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we met back up with the team that was

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out there waiting for us they even said

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they lost contact with us for 45 minutes

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and our watches were 45 minutes slow

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so they were 45 minutes behind what the

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current time was

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so we've talked to people that have had

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interactions with entities if they have

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had more than you know two people there

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and people tend to have different

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experiences or or

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their stories don't collaborate very

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well like they almost need hypnosis and

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stuff like that to sort of recount the

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events especially if there's missing

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time and all that uh is that something

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that the the group ever considered as

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well uh just to figure out exactly what

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happened during those 40 minutes or is

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that just something that you have

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explored yourself but the rest of the

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group aren't interested I don't believe

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Ed did I mean he may have but he never

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really uh never told me he did Ed went

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on a documentary and right after the

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documentary the IRS showed up I guess

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and that's according to what he said and

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it spoke to him and he believed that

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because he talked about the incident the

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government was coming after him so he's

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kind of went quiet since then uh I did

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go under hypnosis which was bizarre what

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came out and then peniston also did go

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under hypnosis

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nice and when you hear stories because

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like I think nine years later was Bob

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lazar's story that came out when he's

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saying that the government has nine of

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these craps he's worked on some of them

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so you start hearing this sort of stuff

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as as the decades go along it sort of

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validates your story as well because you

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guys went through uh you know medical

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issues because of this close proximity

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we were talking the other night actually

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Louie and I with uh Richard Dolan uh

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which was really excited that you were

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coming on the podcast and we were

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talking about how the uh report the cash

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cash Landrum I think right that story of

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the families yes

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um but also we were talking about how

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the the the the UFO report had no

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mention it said that there was no

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medical issues between uaps and Pilots

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or or UAP so far and we say you know

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that's not true there's been more but to

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be fair to that report which I didn't

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agree with a lot of it either but it

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only went back 15 years right they did

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not you know and then there's been some

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people come out then because of what

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happened with me in the government in

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the VA and said well but Mike but I got

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my settlement like what it would be

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seven years ago eight years ago now was

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it 15 January 15th so but the actuality

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is

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the report was a small portion was

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Declassified of it so they never really

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did clarify what cases they looked at

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what you know how far back they went at

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so it's up in the air as far as that

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part of it as far as I'm concerned um

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it's clear that there was a cover-up

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with what happened to me they uh my

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records are classified both my Personnel

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records and my uh my medical records are

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classified still till this day when uh

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when I started having medical I had them

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right afterwards people always ask I

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didn't feel well afterwards and when I

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PCS back to the States I got I got sick

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again and what's the emergency room

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because I was back home visiting a

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couple hours away from the base and I

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wasn't going to be able to drive back so

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they told me to go to the emergency room

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just the military was like that the

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verify was sick and when the doctor when

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I went into Nursery room he asked me

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about my heart my heart murmur

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I know this is I don't have one and then

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they said well yeah you do it's a big

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one so I went back to the base with all

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the documentation they they brought a

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specialists in ran away from Wright

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Patterson and since they're seeing

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enough you find out years later is where

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a lot of stuff goes on with all this

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stuff so he came in and evaluated me

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like a day later and I got back one day

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and he was there the next day and then

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he told me to pack my bags I was going

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to write Patterson the next day so they

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set me up there and they did a bunch of

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tests and that's one of the things

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that's classified they won't reveal what

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they learned from

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my um you know from a test they did on

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my heart so

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so my records are classified they denied

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me disability and stuff and they

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actually in the letters the letter they

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said I wasn't even in the Air Force from

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79 to 82. when all this supposedly

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happened and was able to prove

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eventually McCain Senator McCain was

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involved that I was so then they had to

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then they had to go back and say okay

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well he was now we'll take a closer look

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and then suppose they were going to take

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care of it then they denied everything

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again which led to a um an IG complaint

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and McCain got personally involved to

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include us threatening to open up

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hearings on the whole thing and then

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magically after that and the interesting

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thing about any veterans that listen to

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this that have had issues with the VA

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from beginning to end it only took me

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two and a half years to get rated and

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get my disability which is unheard of

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unless for example you're in a combat

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zone and you get severely injured but

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for something that happened over 30

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years ago I got completely rated and

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taking care of within two and a half

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years and the other thing is is that to

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this day only certain doctors can deal

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with me in the VA with my heart but then

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the civilian side they'll do community

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in the care and I can have most

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everything else done other than my eyes

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and my heart has to be handled through

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the VA oh really how old were you when

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this incident took place and you had the

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heart murmur like you were in your 20s

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at that point I would have been 20 when

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the event happened yeah and you found it

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right before my birthday on my 21st

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birthday and if you had the heart murmur

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as a pre-existing medical condition you

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wouldn't be in a military at that point

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no you couldn't get it matter of fact

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quick story when I got out of active I

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had nine years I wanted to go into

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reserves but the way I got at it there

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was nothing open for the reserve so I

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had to wait a while but I went back in

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and tried to go into reserves they

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initially denied me to come back in the

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reserves because of my heart murmur and

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they showed me the rig and I just looked

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at it and I said well I like a copy of

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it and he goes why I go I'm gonna go to

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my Senator because I said I don't

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understand how I could have it

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after I came in which it happened to me

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when I was in and then turned around and

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stay in but now you're denying the

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access back in and then they backtracked

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they made a couple of phone calls and he

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came back and they did a physical and

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they allowed me back into

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so no you could not have entered the Air

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Force with the heart member which is one

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of what the debunkers tried to say that

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I probably had it before I came in and

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actually I that's one of the few things

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I did have was my entry level physical

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this showed a clean bill of health and

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then my exophysical from in 1988 showing

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I had all kinds of heart issues so

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yeah and I can relate to that myself I

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had a heart murmur as a younger person I

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I had to go see special doctor I ran

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track and field in school they were

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concerned there was an issue so I went

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to a Cardiologist uh basically a heart

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murmurs where you have a valve that

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doesn't close completely and it's not a

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perfect seal and the blood makes a bit

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of a squishing noise when listened to

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through a stethoscope or whatever but I

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actually outgrew mine because I did a

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physical when I was in elementary and

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they said it wasn't severe I could

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participate in sports played hockey

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track and field and in high school when

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I made like the Collegiate team they

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actually required a sign off from the

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doctor because I disclosed I had this

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pre-existing condition and I went to

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another cardiologist and they couldn't

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find it they're like you don't have a

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heart murmur so that's kind of a weird

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thing my job was still a maturing

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pubescent teenager so I was growing and

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maybe that corrected I I can actually

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add more to this

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um eventually with all this stuff going

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on with McCain well first with the with

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Kyle then he retired in McCain and then

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a CIA guy showed up when all this

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started getting hot and and gave some

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documentation for the help the VA and

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the dod take care of my art one of the

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interesting things was when I had my

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surgery

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they replaced the valve and uh and the

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civilian doctors couldn't figure out

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what was going on because my symptoms

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didn't match what they were seeing in

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the Echo for the damage to the heart

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and you know how private insurances are

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not wanting to do certain things when

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there's not enough evidence anyway long

520
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story short one they actually did the

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surgery they found that I had two

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leaflets and the damage was on inside

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leaflet which is rare to ever have any

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issues which is hard to find anyway but

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I had two leaflets so basically what I

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was told was whatever happened to me if

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I hadn't had those two refills because

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normally you only have one I probably

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yeah so because the two leaflets were

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both damaged but they they s they worked

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together to even though after I had the

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damage that kept me along forever but

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they were both disintegrated to the

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point where I was I was within a month

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of dying when everything finally got

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taken care of and had my surgery

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that's crazy glad that you made it

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through all right but I wanted to ask

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you just about these medical effects

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because again this is hotly contested a

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lot of people you know say that there's

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no such thing a lot of people swear by

543
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:03,960
it and you're a good example of it so a

544
00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:06,059
did anybody else have this type of thing

545
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:08,520
and how long after like because we've

546
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:10,200
heard of you know incident cases where

547
00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:11,880
people go home they feel sick right away

548
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:14,100
their hair falls out their teeth start

549
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,260
to loosen you know symptoms of extreme

550
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,480
radiation poisoning well don't often

551
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,360
hear the cardiological the problem is is

552
00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:23,760
that it wasn't the type of radiation you

553
00:21:28,669 --> 00:21:25,740
would expect it was terahertz radiation

554
00:21:30,169 --> 00:21:28,679
which is a different thing and the other

555
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:30,179
thing is yeah there's the other guy that

556
00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:31,740
was with me on night three which I'm

557
00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:33,480
sure we're going to get into he actually

558
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:36,840
has rated 100 just like I am so so

559
00:21:41,470 --> 00:21:38,340
there's two of us that have been rated

560
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,480
and and no matter what people try to say

561
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:44,159
okay our

562
00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:46,740
if people understand how the VA works it

563
00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:49,320
has to be in the line of duty you have

564
00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:51,480
to identify where it happened

565
00:21:57,529 --> 00:21:53,940
and the symptoms you know and everything

566
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,539
else his and mine were both presented to

567
00:22:02,029 --> 00:21:59,280
the VA that we were injured in the line

568
00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:02,039
of duty in the fields

569
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:04,740
at belt waters you know we're outside of

570
00:22:09,169 --> 00:22:06,600
Woodbridge Air Force Base and rentals of

571
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:09,179
course and the VA acknowledged both of

572
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:13,080
us received injuries from that event so

573
00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:15,480
what they didn't do was say what it was

574
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:18,419
in fact I was told very clearly from the

575
00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:22,020
dod the VA and even the Senator's office

576
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,780
is that I deserve the care I got for the

577
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:26,400
injuries I've sustained from that event

578
00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:29,400
but I was never going to be told what it

579
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:30,179
was

580
00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:36,240
fact I got a letter from the dod

581
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,580
afterwards because we had foia out that

582
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:40,740
they broke the law and they wouldn't

583
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,059
answer questions about classified

584
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,220
records and everything else and once I

585
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:46,080
got once they rated me they came back

586
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:48,900
and told me we're done we're going to

587
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:50,760
treat you you know we'll take care of

588
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:52,740
you uh certain few things will be done

589
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:55,740
that'll still remain you know within the

590
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:58,559
Realms of classification and uh we're

591
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,580
not going to answer any more your

592
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:02,220
Fourier questions and people claim

593
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,380
there's always a big debate on that even

594
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:07,020
when I first started talking about this

595
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:08,580
when we did that mock carrying with

596
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,640
Steve Bassett citizens hearing even the

597
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:13,919
Senators and well I should say the one

598
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,860
Senator and the one Congressman knew the

599
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:18,000
rest of them didn't know about a

600
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:19,980
classified record section in our

601
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,020
government and also didn't understand

602
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:24,059
that if you're involved in a classified

603
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:25,140
event

604
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,480
your records are classified and you

605
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:29,820
don't have access to them I just don't

606
00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:33,600
have a right to unlike anybody else does

607
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:35,460
did that make it difficult if they were

608
00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,620
classifying your information for the VA

609
00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:40,020
to give you a compensation for this like

610
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:42,059
or well it was it was it was a

611
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,340
double-edged sword because yes some of

612
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,740
the things that they could look at and

613
00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:48,600
what happened was when they did the when

614
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,659
they did the second denial and then the

615
00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:53,700
the office it was handling it came back

616
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,460
and told the staffer Cheryl Bennett who

617
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,760
uh was do was got a lot of this done and

618
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:01,620
you know got all got most of it done

619
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,659
under people understand the senator

620
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:05,760
doesn't do the work the age do and she

621
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,220
did did it all but he did get involved

622
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:10,320
at the end was that they couldn't look

623
00:24:14,049 --> 00:24:12,840
at my stuff and they had to bring in a

624
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:14,059
special

625
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:19,500
classifications but when he got to the

626
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:20,940
point of my heart even his

627
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:22,980
classification and he had the highest

628
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:25,799
rating in it couldn't look at it

629
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,620
so it did make an issue but the bigger

630
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:31,200
issue was that they modified my dd4214

631
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,020
and said I wasn't even in yeah so they

632
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:36,240
denied that I was infants and we had to

633
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,340
fight that even though we had some proof

634
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,640
that I was they still denied it so they

635
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:44,100
were clearly covering up what took place

636
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:46,919
from in that field I mean even all my

637
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,260
Personnel records are missing when we

638
00:24:56,409 --> 00:24:51,539
got some of them eventually we're all

639
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,419
missing from 79 to 82. everything was

640
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,520
scrubbed that's that's systematic too

641
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,679
again Jason you mentioned Bob Lazar but

642
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,600
there's a lot of similarities there too

643
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:06,120
nobody can find his info they deny he

644
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:07,799
ever worked there I mean this is not

645
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:10,860
well yeah but and I'm not bagging a

646
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,280
babazar but in my case I have the proof

647
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:17,760
yes he claims they can't and I I'm not

648
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,080
saying he doesn't have any proof at all

649
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:21,780
but I can show the denial orders I can

650
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:24,539
show the DD Form 214 that they tried to

651
00:25:29,049 --> 00:25:27,240
stand by saying I wasn't in I can show

652
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:29,059
the fact that my records are classified

653
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:31,620
so that's the difference between some

654
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,380
other people is there's no denying it

655
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:36,900
they classified it now what I can't

656
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,779
shows what happened to us as far as what

657
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,059
they deemed why they felt it was

658
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,000
necessary to rape me and treat me and

659
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:47,700
keep everything classified I mean what's

660
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,620
sitting in front of you is it was

661
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,659
obviously because there's a Declassified

662
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,820
British document that we use project

663
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:55,679
condyle and it said we were exposed to

664
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,220
AP radiation so but the bottom line is

665
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:01,140
they've never admitted to what injured

666
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:02,700
us they've just admitted we were injured

667
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,900
and they were going to take care of us

668
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,360
yeah so we got through day one of the

669
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,980
rendersham incident and as you mentioned

670
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:10,559
it's like a three-day Saga so let's pick

671
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,299
up from there if we can what happened on

672
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:14,340
day two and sort of the colonel Holt

673
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:16,860
gets involved well day two was it was

674
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,380
the second night in Colonel Hall there

675
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,840
is some evidence that he may have even

676
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,279
went out throughout night too but I

677
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:25,559
wasn't involved with night two the odd

678
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,960
that we we went on break after our event

679
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:30,960
so we were off three days and on night

680
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,020
two uh the flight that replaces our

681
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,419
midnight shift saw strange lights the

682
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,640
story I've got which I didn't get it

683
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:40,380
straight from the horse's mouth but I

684
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:41,820
actually found out about it right after

685
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,279
it happened I went up to the desk that

686
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,039
morning before they got off and the

687
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,960
death Sergeant I knew him said that they

688
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:50,700
were out in the forest and saw strange

689
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,700
lights again and the shift Commander had

690
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:55,620
something happen to her where this blue

691
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:57,059
light went through her vehicle and shut

692
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,460
it off and she freaked out and was

693
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,960
really the duty

694
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,120
so there was an interaction on night two

695
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,039
night three is the night after I found

696
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,200
out about night two where me and a

697
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,299
couple of the guys I was uh working with

698
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:12,000
a flight decided to go back out there to

699
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:13,320
see if we could figure out what was

700
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,179
going on unspeknownst they were already

701
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,159
back out there with another event going

702
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:19,919
on and that ended up getting us sucked

703
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:22,620
into that event which there's a tape

704
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,120
Colonel halt made

705
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:26,820
that some of it's been released they've

706
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:28,919
some people claim that that's the whole

707
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,059
tape but

708
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:32,640
there's more to tape it was just edited

709
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,179
there's more to what went on so

710
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:38,159
and there was also a command post tape

711
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:39,720
that was recorded of everything that

712
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:42,179
night that's classified that you can't

713
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:45,720
listen to but at the end of the day when

714
00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:47,340
I met up with them they had already had

715
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:48,779
an encounter you can hear it on the tape

716
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,480
you hear them identified to them that I

717
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,220
was out there we eventually met up with

718
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,440
them for years halt denied that I was

719
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,799
even there and then the tape got out and

720
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:00,600
then he had to admit we were there and

721
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:04,440
and then and vistenza and I went forward

722
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,380
because whatever was going on that night

723
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,260
as far as prior something strange came

724
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:12,900
down out of the sky into the tree line

725
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,960
in front of us so he allowed him and I

726
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:17,279
had to go forward so I could get a

727
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,100
closer look and as we were going towards

728
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,559
it it started to come towards us and as

729
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:25,080
we were both running the

730
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,279
um

731
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,039
we got close to it now I just remember

732
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:30,960
getting close to it and then it was gone

733
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:33,539
the guy with me vistenza who also got

734
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:37,080
raided you know like I did he uh got

735
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,580
knocked down to the ground I remember

736
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,260
him going down to the ground he said

737
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,360
something held him down and then he saw

738
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:44,640
it come over me and I disappeared

739
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:47,400
and then it actually didn't he didn't go

740
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,820
into it but a little bit of it he had um

741
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,760
on his hand you know so he had a little

742
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,320
bit of a contact with it but didn't go

743
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:57,120
into him disappear like I did well

744
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,460
that's what he remembers so let's talk

745
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:02,159
about physical and forensic traces that

746
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:04,260
this thing or things left I mean I've

747
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,880
read reports that there was like

748
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:08,100
abrasions on the trees three and a half

749
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,919
feet high indentations from what would

750
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,440
be like foot pads and like a tripod

751
00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:15,600
formation I think they even cut the

752
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:17,159
grass after the incident happened so

753
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:18,659
people wouldn't come take pictures no

754
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,200
the forest the forest got destroyed by a

755
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,179
weird hurricane event it was like

756
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:25,980
hurricane winds that happened like a

757
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:28,260
couple years later or whatever I don't

758
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:29,940
know so like you don't get letters from

759
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,559
people telling you exactly what data was

760
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:33,960
what I know is after our event the

761
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,140
forest got level by a windstorm so and I

762
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,299
don't know how long after but it did but

763
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:41,399
there was there were tripods found in

764
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:44,580
the ground which interesting enough

765
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,860
and we can go to this a little bit we

766
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:49,320
have some time because the book I did

767
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,440
weaponization of uit we we've identified

768
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:54,539
probably what a lotta we've dealt with

769
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,279
out there what was going on they were

770
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,039
testing top secret military weaponry and

771
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:01,559
stuff too but there's also a phenomenon

772
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:04,380
that's been identified in the area that

773
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,299
they were working on there was a team

774
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:08,399
down there that the guy haven't wrote a

775
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,440
book and pulled it they were down there

776
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:13,200
studying they called they call it a

777
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:15,059
phenomenon but now it's been identified

778
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,940
as a UAP but um they were studying that

779
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:19,500
they were actually working on it and

780
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,760
they were working on three different

781
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,799
facilities we're working on this

782
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:25,440
sometimes technology down there but this

783
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:28,740
UAP type uh object could create those

784
00:30:33,970 --> 00:30:30,059
indentations

785
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:33,980
and it also would retraces of radiation

786
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:37,620
but not in the sense of you know like if

787
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,240
there was a nuclear explosion or

788
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,279
something like that yeah like the foot

789
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,960
pads would have higher readings on the

790
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,360
geiger counter but and that's exactly if

791
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,340
you listen to the tape that's where halt

792
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:49,440
said and again I can only go off what

793
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,240
he's talked about over the years and

794
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:53,279
what the tape says but there's when

795
00:30:57,769 --> 00:30:55,740
people try to dispute that also like the

796
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,779
equipment wasn't the right equipment you

797
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:00,240
know the indentations were damaged from

798
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:02,700
something else you know and the damage

799
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:05,700
to the trees but they never really could

800
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,419
understand how the tree the tree canopy

801
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:11,460
above us was on the floor

802
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,000
so something put brought down the you

803
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:17,580
know some of the tree canopy above it so

804
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:20,580
so again you know I don't have a problem

805
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:23,399
I I Skeptics are fine I don't like the

806
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,460
bunkers only because they they've got a

807
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:28,559
a narrative that that's it and all

808
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:29,880
they're going to do is try to destroy

809
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:32,340
anything about it yeah you know and

810
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,720
that's the difference so I don't have a

811
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:35,640
promise some of the Skeptics questioning

812
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:38,340
even question about my injuries that you

813
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:41,460
know could have happened prior no no and

814
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,140
I've got and I've actually presented in

815
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,600
some presentations enough proof to show

816
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,760
that the documentation back it and then

817
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,159
Billy Cox was a reporter in Florida at

818
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:52,799
the time we sent him a settlement and he

819
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:54,600
wrote an article on it and he verified

820
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,520
you know that that was from that

821
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:58,260
incident and the evidence that we

822
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,899
presented was from that incident so but

823
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,919
there's still people out there

824
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,659
questioning that but one of the other

825
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,240
issues that I had and Adrian had was eye

826
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,580
issues and I actually have a hole in my

827
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,600
eye wall

828
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,480
from radiation damage

829
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:14,640
wow which is probably from the intensity

830
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:17,940
of the light or who knows I don't I they

831
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,779
don't

832
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,120
okay trying to get something out of

833
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,179
government's impossible I the most I got

834
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,039
out of my eye doctor was well when I

835
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:27,840
first started having the eye issues I

836
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:29,940
got sent to wolfer Hall and the doctor

837
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,380
asked me if I had been exposed to

838
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,240
radiation and I said not that I'm aware

839
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:35,159
of because I wasn't aware of it at that

840
00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:37,500
point and it was until years later we

841
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:39,899
started putting it all together but

842
00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:42,659
but then further on over the years now

843
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:45,779
the doctors giving me some little bits

844
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,500
of

845
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,480
information about what's going on

846
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:50,820
because I have to go back and have my

847
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:53,940
eye while looked at every six months and

848
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:56,520
it's never changed and they're scarring

849
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:58,679
in there from radiation I suppose

850
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:01,080
another interesting point on these where

851
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,940
like where Reynolds from forest is was

852
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:04,799
right in between two bases right bent

853
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,779
Waters and Woodbridge very important

854
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:08,880
NATO Allied bases in the time of the

855
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,760
Cold War and uh there was rumor that

856
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,559
they had nuclear Ordnance on there I

857
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,820
don't think it's ever been officially

858
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,279
confirmed but what are your thoughts on

859
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,960
the fact that these were nuclear bases

860
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,120
hence the interest from potential UAP

861
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:23,700
well what I can tell you is this prior

862
00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:27,480
to us getting there they had f4s at

863
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,380
on alert at Woodbridge and there and

864
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,059
it's been openly talked about everywhere

865
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:36,179
that there were nuclear weapons you know

866
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,820
on the armed on the planes they left and

867
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,919
the a-10s came in I can't go into

868
00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:43,200
exactly what we had when I was there

869
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:46,740
because we had to sign documents and I

870
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:49,320
don't know the shelf life of it but the

871
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:51,059
fact of the matter is is that if you

872
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:52,740
look at the facilities that were there

873
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,159
it was nuclear capable and the store

874
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:58,799
what nuclear weapons there and the other

875
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:01,260
factor is is that people claim that we

876
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,179
couldn't have them there but that's not

877
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,519
true because if you go back and look at

878
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,679
the NATO we were a NATO base we were not

879
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,839
a British or American based we were a

880
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:11,520
NATO base and if you go back and look at

881
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:14,580
the NATO Charter all through Europe

882
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,339
Germany and other European countries we

883
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:19,560
had nuclear weapons that were under the

884
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:23,220
NATO Charter and treaty so yes nuclear

885
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,139
weapons were authorized in the UK

886
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,879
Germany and all these other countries

887
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,280
they just cleverly move stuff around

888
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,919
which led to people challenging the fact

889
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,240
that we weren't even supposed to have

890
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,520
anything there which we could have and

891
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,960
you'd think that a plane carrying

892
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:39,599
nuclear weapons would have to take off

893
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:41,339
and land at facilities capable of

894
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:42,780
holding the payload I don't think they

895
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,460
Park airplanes and leave the nuclear

896
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,500
bomb strapped to the belly again I don't

897
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:48,720
know I'm not a military expert but you

898
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,760
would think that if it's a place that is

899
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,040
going to add or remove a warhead they

900
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,720
need a place to store it therefore the

901
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,879
base is a nuclear base quote unquote

902
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,760
because the planes like I said I could

903
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,680
tell you what was going on prior to the

904
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:03,839
a-10s I can't tell you what our mission

905
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:06,900
was after sure but I can just tell you

906
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,000
there was nuclear there was they're

907
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:11,040
called wsa weapon storage areas and we

908
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,660
had to have one on Woodbridge one of

909
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,599
those and that's as far as I can go and

910
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,520
but do I think what was going on had

911
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,320
anything to do with the nuclear weapons

912
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:23,040
no no not at all in fact if you you know

913
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:24,780
were to get the book and read it they

914
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,240
were doing the technology they were

915
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,220
working on then it's evolved over the

916
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,800
years would make nuclear weapons

917
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,140
obsolete with what they've been working

918
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:37,440
on what we have capabilities now so yeah

919
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,060
watch on another podcast you were

920
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,460
talking about cloaking and plasmas and

921
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,560
all that sort of jazz as well were they

922
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,540
working on those sort of oh yeah that's

923
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,300
where it all started um in fact if you

924
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,359
go back and look at it what was going on

925
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,520
they had MK Ultra going on in the states

926
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,500
and some other stuff going on that they

927
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,020
got caught with now Congress has

928
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,660
involved things got really hot and so

929
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:02,460
what they did was they shut all these

930
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:05,339
programs down in the United States and

931
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,320
then they moved them over under a

932
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:10,079
different Mission over into the UK and

933
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,820
they also had the facilities up there

934
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,859
which most people don't understand stand

935
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,079
that area where we were at Orford nests

936
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:18,720
they developed nuclear stuff there they

937
00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:20,820
worked on all kinds of that they were

938
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:23,099
actually they were working on the death

939
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,660
ray which you know what that is right

940
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:26,760
lasers and stuff yeah and then they

941
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:30,180
found radar so they had lasers there

942
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:33,480
they had radar there the original radar

943
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,460
stuff that they built and when I said

944
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:36,960
earlier the White House was probably

945
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,020
involved there actually was there one of

946
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:41,760
the things they were working on was they

947
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,820
had the original radar facility hooked

948
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,280
to the lighthouse that was beaming you

949
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:49,680
know frequencies into the forest

950
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,500
oh really yes and they were working on

951
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,380
all kinds of radar technology to include

952
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:57,599
this guy by the name of Andrew Pike that

953
00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:59,880
was working with he always gets mad at

954
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:02,220
me but it was funded by the government

955
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,260
through his university which they do all

956
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:05,520
the time

957
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,099
um they were working on studying of the

958
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:11,460
um of the phenomenon that was there and

959
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:12,900
they were working on it through these

960
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:16,920
facilities and they also were

961
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,420
um

962
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,460
let's see how I want to put this if you

963
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,500
go back and look at the history Marconi

964
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:24,660
was the the company at the time they've

965
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:26,820
been bought out you know it's ba systems

966
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,099
now you know but but at the time it was

967
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,720
Marconi and there actually was

968
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,579
scientists that were down there working

969
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:35,040
on SDI and people have challenged that

970
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,839
well that didn't happen until Reagan no

971
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:38,880
STI was being worked on

972
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:42,420
at the time of that event Reagan was the

973
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:44,099
one that wanted to take it out of the r

974
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:46,859
d you know and the testing and make it

975
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:48,900
operational so it was already being

976
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:50,579
worked on which is what was moved over

977
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:52,980
there they had all the best Radars over

978
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:55,740
there at the time too so they were

979
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,180
working on all this including the

980
00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,280
plasmas and one of the things that we

981
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,980
found out was a guy that I'm working

982
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,079
with and it's interesting you guys are

983
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:07,140
going on the that Network the X with

984
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:09,480
race Hobbs right yeah well we're doing

985
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:11,940
this show I'm doing a show with race and

986
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,940
James woro who is the researcher and

987
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:17,280
we're going to expose all this further

988
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,020
from the book

989
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,660
um about the technology but those actual

990
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,940
blue lights were probably plasmas that

991
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:26,400
were created from the phenomenon that

992
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:28,440
were being controlled by lasers in the

993
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,380
sky that haltoned a bunch of us saw

994
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:33,660
and what was going on and that other

995
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,420
stuff that we got mixed into probably

996
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:38,220
was something that came from the

997
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,720
phenomenon itself

998
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:41,579
which do we know exactly what the

999
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,099
phenomenon is no other than what was

1000
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:46,680
Declassified in condyn which says it's

1001
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:49,740
under intelligent control and the the

1002
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,380
final report part of it said it should

1003
00:38:55,450 --> 00:38:53,760
be weaponized

1004
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,460
now let's talk about your book

1005
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:57,720
weaponization of an unidentified aerial

1006
00:39:02,510 --> 00:38:59,220
phenomenon because that's essentially

1007
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:02,520
where you guys go topic wise yes we've

1008
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:04,619
we did we've I've done a deep dive

1009
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,640
because I Halt peniston and all those

1010
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,520
guys retired like in the early 90s I

1011
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,800
stayed in until 2004.

1012
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:15,780
so I was involved with special

1013
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:18,780
operations for Bosnia and the second

1014
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,660
Gulf War and when when I was involved

1015
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,240
with both I saw certain things that I

1016
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:26,280
can't talk about but made me wonder

1017
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,160
about wait a minute that kind of fits

1018
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,680
into what was going on at belmonters and

1019
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,380
then I started digging a little bit and

1020
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:36,300
then when I got sick I dug really deep

1021
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:38,940
and found out a bunch of stuff and then

1022
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:42,359
from there I met James warro who is a

1023
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:45,060
great researcher that's dug into a ton

1024
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,619
of technology and different things that

1025
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,660
are going on and one of the biggest

1026
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,579
things that these the bunkers like to

1027
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:51,839
say is well we didn't have that stuff

1028
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,260
back then oh yes we did we were so much

1029
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:57,359
farther advanced than anybody new in

1030
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,780
1980. and it's just mind-boggling

1031
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,240
probably where we are today

1032
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:05,820
right and psychologically because you

1033
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,040
know physically you've had issues with

1034
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,599
this you know you've had two incidences

1035
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:12,119
but pretty much like a night apart and

1036
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:13,800
you're the only person that I know that

1037
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,200
has had Close Encounters that much uh

1038
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,140
you know in proximity to these crafts

1039
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,720
basically you know two nights in a row

1040
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:23,280
uh not in a row but you know one night

1041
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:24,599
apart

1042
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,820
um psychologically what does that do to

1043
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,740
somebody especially when you're in the

1044
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:30,000
Air Force and you're dealing with

1045
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,140
something like that everything gets

1046
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,839
classified you're getting sick like that

1047
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:35,220
must have played with your head quite a

1048
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,920
bit at that point I mean you were young

1049
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:39,839
you know when this happened but you know

1050
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:43,380
over 43 years now what did you find it

1051
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:45,900
was the hardest to struggle with

1052
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,040
for me okay I was my first base

1053
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:51,960
um I wasn't in charge that night I

1054
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:55,020
didn't have to talk much you know they

1055
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,180
they I gave I gave a written statement

1056
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:59,040
that events I got released

1057
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,380
um I was kind of told it was being taken

1058
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:03,300
care of don't worry about it we'll let

1059
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:04,680
you know if we need anything and just

1060
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,660
you know I wouldn't say we were

1061
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,460
threatened to be quiet we were just told

1062
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,839
to be quiet you know when you're

1063
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,960
standing as an E3 in front of a colonel

1064
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:15,300
and he says well you know we're looking

1065
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,660
into this leaving alone okay fine and I

1066
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:20,640
couldn't explain it and that's why I

1067
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,700
laughed today like

1068
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,599
these guys that are having these

1069
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:26,880
encounters today

1070
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:30,180
I I don't know maybe they don't know you

1071
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:32,040
know because we didn't know but we

1072
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,960
weren't at the level of a pilot you know

1073
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:35,640
what I mean and stuff but

1074
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:38,700
there our technology is being involved

1075
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,359
you know by the by the month you know

1076
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,220
never mind all these think tanks what

1077
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:45,599
they're looking to the Future and stuff

1078
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,839
so if I had like a a dollar for every

1079
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,400
time I heard that couldn't have been us

1080
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:53,280
I'd be rich by now because honestly I

1081
00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:54,900
didn't know what to make of it I you

1082
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:56,339
know this is before the internet and

1083
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,619
everything else it could have been from

1084
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,420
somewhere else well yeah we we thought

1085
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:03,060
about that but I was told to shut up I

1086
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:06,599
just shut up and I left the base and I

1087
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:08,220
didn't feel well over there but never

1088
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:12,240
really correlated being not feeling well

1089
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:15,000
to what happened to us nor when I did go

1090
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,940
in was I ever asked about it or you know

1091
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:19,859
like that and even after I had more

1092
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:21,540
issues going forward it never was

1093
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:24,060
brought up the event now it did follow

1094
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:26,280
me around because other people that I

1095
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,540
was stationed with

1096
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,880
couple different bases I was at and they

1097
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:31,680
were running their miles about it so

1098
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:33,300
people were running to me

1099
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,119
and the most interesting story was when

1100
00:42:40,569 --> 00:42:38,820
the story finally got leaked out was I

1101
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,579
was at Luke that was my third assignment

1102
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:43,079
and the phone starts ringing off the

1103
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,240
hook my own phone I don't know how they

1104
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,160
got my number because it was I wasn't on

1105
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:48,960
the phone back then they had phone books

1106
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,300
it was on my roommate's name not mine

1107
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,000
but they found me and I was like blowing

1108
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:55,440
them off hanging them up telling them I

1109
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,700
could talk to them from all over

1110
00:43:02,030 --> 00:42:59,520
Nebraska Europe and all that and then

1111
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,040
CNN college and it was like okay now I

1112
00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:04,980
got a problem so I went to um

1113
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,859
to the base and I went to public affairs

1114
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:09,599
and I walked in the office and they

1115
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:11,220
didn't really know what to tell her she

1116
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:13,140
was sitting at this you know I was like

1117
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,180
Sergeant sitting at the desk I needed to

1118
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:17,040
talk to the uh you know officer in

1119
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:19,140
charge of public affairs here she's like

1120
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,760
well he's at lunch what do you need I

1121
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:22,680
said well I could tell you is this I

1122
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,800
wrote down the date and I wrote down the

1123
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,560
base I said he needs to call the

1124
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:31,440
Pentagon because I've been contacted by

1125
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,500
CNN about an event that took place and

1126
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,480
she goes what I don't can't tell you

1127
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,400
she's like what I know I'm not supposed

1128
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:40,680
to talk about it so he needs to call and

1129
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,060
they'll tell you what you need to know

1130
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,400
so I went home I went to work went home

1131
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:46,380
next day I come in and I'm arming up to

1132
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,819
go to work I get pulled out of the

1133
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:50,460
pulled out a quick arm up and taken into

1134
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,339
the skiff where the Pentagon was on the

1135
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:55,440
phone with me I had a general on the

1136
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:57,060
phone and a guy had been the shift

1137
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,260
Commander over there was now at the

1138
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:01,140
Pentagon in public affairs and we we

1139
00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:03,060
discussed everything and how and what I

1140
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:05,819
could say what I could do with the uh

1141
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:10,980
with CNN and so so for me I let it go I

1142
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:13,560
was told not to worry about it and I

1143
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:16,619
couldn't explain it and back then even

1144
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,900
today you still get weird looks but back

1145
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:20,760
then you didn't really go around talking

1146
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,819
about that stuff yeah and I didn't and I

1147
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,380
wasn't worried about my career I just

1148
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,359
didn't know what to say how do you say

1149
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,160
you don't know what it is what it was

1150
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,680
what went on you know and but I always

1151
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,599
would get cornered sooner or later in

1152
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,520
different places and then after the

1153
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:37,800
story broke I got shipped out to Korea

1154
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,500
hidden over there hot was over there and

1155
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,240
so was Williams so we were all

1156
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:44,220
alternatives are in over there for over

1157
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:46,980
a year to keep us from the Press from

1158
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,619
that point oh really so do you think

1159
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:51,000
most of these because I know you've

1160
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,859
mentioned that hey we had crazier attack

1161
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:54,960
than we think even in the 80s so do you

1162
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:57,720
think a lot of the cases like what's the

1163
00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:59,339
percentage I know that's a difficult

1164
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:01,380
thing to answer but do you think it's 50

1165
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,380
50 sort of our Tech versus outside Tech

1166
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,880
do you think there's a small chance it's

1167
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,680
not from us you know what are your

1168
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,079
thoughts on the whole man-made versus

1169
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:12,780
ET craft well what I can tell you is

1170
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:14,940
we're continuing to dig and we're going

1171
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:17,099
to evolve with this is there is a

1172
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:18,900
phenomenon out there now if you listen

1173
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:21,060
did you just see that interview the CIA

1174
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:24,300
guy did xcia Brennan did and he said

1175
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,859
there's something going on but it's not

1176
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:28,319
what you think it is and all these

1177
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:29,700
different people that I've been around

1178
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:31,980
high up in government that I've been

1179
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,680
able to speak to some some physicists

1180
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:37,680
and stuff is you get the sense that

1181
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,480
there's something there but it's not

1182
00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:41,760
what we've had been told like little

1183
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,339
spaceship coming from Zeta reticuli and

1184
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,800
stuff and that they definitely know

1185
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:48,720
about it and they've been studying it

1186
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:52,380
report says it's there it's viable we

1187
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,300
need to weaponize it that's hence the

1188
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,980
name of the book weaponization and we've

1189
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,660
laid out a lot of stuff that we've

1190
00:46:03,410 --> 00:45:59,400
uncovered and we're continuing to cover

1191
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,420
more stuff so my thing is this there's

1192
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:06,240
something there so some of the time it

1193
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,000
could be it you know including we

1194
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,460
probably had an interaction with both

1195
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,680
what we were trying to create and what

1196
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,640
was there

1197
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:17,040
do you know what I mean and and from

1198
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,300
there they've evolved out this

1199
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,640
technology to it could easily be

1200
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:21,839
explained

1201
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,839
um if you could get to the right

1202
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,359
documents and all we can look is

1203
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:30,000
Declassified documents and weaponry so

1204
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,220
we don't have the nuts and bolts of

1205
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,260
everything but a lot of what's been seen

1206
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,900
on radar and stuff can be explained do

1207
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,400
you know what I mean and the interesting

1208
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:40,260
thing that stands out on two two things

1209
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,839
of this number one

1210
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:45,359
is that these encounters that happened

1211
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,540
with the air with the Navy were both by

1212
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:50,640
areas that had the technology that could

1213
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,260
create those effects

1214
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:54,839
that down there on Catalina Island and

1215
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:57,420
off the coast of Florida and over in the

1216
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:01,079
Middle East okay so there's technology

1217
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:02,819
out there that can create a lot of this

1218
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,119
and create these countermeasures and

1219
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,160
stuff different things so you know so

1220
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:10,800
that that's very viable you know as far

1221
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:13,500
as that goes on and there's no doubt

1222
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:16,260
that that they're continuing to work on

1223
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,119
this because you remember the question

1224
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,460
that they're hearing were they asked the

1225
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,200
the guy that was giving the briefing

1226
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,720
they said are we developing uh uh

1227
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:27,119
technology off of uaps and they said we

1228
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,560
can't talk about that we have to go by

1229
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:31,020
and close doors well I also did fire

1230
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,240
with the mod based on some stuff I had

1231
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:35,099
and they told me they've developed

1232
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,819
technology off of uaps but it was all

1233
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:41,099
blacked out and it's all classified and

1234
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,319
they gave me it it's in the book exactly

1235
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,720
what went on and they've even admitted

1236
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,040
that they're still working on something

1237
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:49,560
so it's probably a combination of both

1238
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,780
how much I can't tell you but if you're

1239
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,640
around the middle term facility or

1240
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:54,960
something happens around a military

1241
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,500
facility that has advanced Weaponry you

1242
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,260
can be the judge of you know

1243
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:03,900
yeah and it's weird that as a species we

1244
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:05,880
always look at how can we use this

1245
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:08,520
technology to kill people like every

1246
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,900
single time that we come up with some

1247
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:11,280
new technology like the stuff that

1248
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,319
leaked down like microwaves and that we

1249
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,720
now have in our homes all these things

1250
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,720
were all made eventually by the Army and

1251
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,460
designed to like how can we use this to

1252
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:22,319
kill people and with this technology

1253
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,880
it's the same thing even if it was a

1254
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:24,960
peaceful

1255
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,420
let's say species that comes and visits

1256
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,339
us and occasionally something crashes we

1257
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,920
get that information or that uh you know

1258
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:34,079
that craft we try to reverse engineer it

1259
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:35,460
we're going to try to reverse engineer

1260
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,020
it to how can we use it to kill people

1261
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:39,180
or get the advantage on somebody else

1262
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,859
and that's a really big problem with our

1263
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,040
species because I think we're never

1264
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:45,839
that's not really fair because

1265
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,420
because you're not it's not specie

1266
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:50,880
driven it's people that we put in charge

1267
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:54,780
yeah that and that the military's job is

1268
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,079
to do that and and not only that but

1269
00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,880
then you have to look at the people

1270
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,520
these corporations that have evolved

1271
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:04,800
over the years that their job is to stay

1272
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:07,020
ahead of because what people understand

1273
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:09,000
there's an industrial military complex

1274
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,099
but there's all kinds of stuff that goes

1275
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,200
on between countries and militaries but

1276
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,420
also Within These Industries too there's

1277
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,040
all kinds of Espionage and stuff that

1278
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,960
goes on with these companies because a

1279
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,400
lot of the stuff that's been farmed from

1280
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:22,319
the military to hidea inside these

1281
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,599
companies and that's one of the things I

1282
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,400
got from the British was part of the

1283
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,380
reason why we can't tell you anything is

1284
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,839
it's in the defense industry it's not

1285
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,359
even our we don't even own it you know

1286
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:35,880
it's owned by these companies and stuff

1287
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:39,599
so it's not us as a species it's the

1288
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:41,940
people that are in charge and the people

1289
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:45,060
that want to have the power so because I

1290
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:46,500
don't think you and I want to destroy

1291
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:48,119
each other and I don't think I really

1292
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:50,099
have a problem with these other

1293
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,780
countries because I've been in a lot of

1294
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,280
these countries where the people are

1295
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,260
fine it's the governments that cause the

1296
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,020
problem right good point

1297
00:50:04,069 --> 00:49:59,599
yeah

1298
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,079
without even we were talking uh

1299
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:05,940
previously about

1300
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:07,619
there's a new group now investigating

1301
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:10,140
UFOs but the old group that's been

1302
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:12,180
around forever trying to keep this

1303
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,560
silent they're not just going to

1304
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,880
dissipate they're not just going to

1305
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,040
disappear in the night they're still

1306
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:18,960
active they change their ways they

1307
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:21,300
change their tactics but when you hear

1308
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:23,339
events that took place right before the

1309
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,020
internet everybody says you know it got

1310
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,000
visited by people they would raid my

1311
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,579
house or they would mess with me like

1312
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,920
we've heard that time and again from

1313
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:34,140
different people that didn't happen to

1314
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,700
you like nobody messed with you in any

1315
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:36,480
way

1316
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,480
no I had to I was put through a deep

1317
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:42,060
briefing you know as far as went in

1318
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,619
right afterwards talked to the shift

1319
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:45,119
Commander then spoke to the wing

1320
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,359
hierarchy um some of the people that

1321
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:49,680
were there

1322
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,099
uh it depends on who it is some of them

1323
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,720
vividly remember being brought in and

1324
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,599
interrogated uh pedestin's kind of up in

1325
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,000
the air because his initial story was

1326
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,980
that he talked to Hall about it a lot

1327
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,599
but didn't remember any of the other

1328
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:06,720
stuff probably went under hypnosis and

1329
00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:08,339
then then he remembered being

1330
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,859
interrogated so that's kind of iffy on

1331
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:12,480
him I can't give you a straight answer

1332
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,520
on what really happened with him I do

1333
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,980
not remember being interrogated or the

1334
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:18,839
closest I ever came to any of this was

1335
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,140
at the beginning was with when I got the

1336
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,000
Pentagon called me at my base and told

1337
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,220
me what I couldn't couldn't say and then

1338
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:28,680
when uh these people from government

1339
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,500
showed up after it became a bigger deal

1340
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,839
about my injuries in the cover-up

1341
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:36,960
so but I've never been like threatened

1342
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,540
other than I guess the closest I could

1343
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:41,460
come is that when they gave me what I

1344
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:44,220
wanted I was so kind of Let It Go

1345
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,200
right go right you know we're taking

1346
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:48,240
care of you now shut your mouth right

1347
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,460
you know it wasn't that it was subtly

1348
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,380
done it wasn't that direct but it was

1349
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:54,720
kind of like look dude you know we're

1350
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,339
done we're not telling you anymore and

1351
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:58,559
don't expect any more from us

1352
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:00,660
did anything you mentioned you had 45

1353
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,700
minutes lost time did anything come out

1354
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:04,559
during your hypnotherapy regressions

1355
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:06,140
about that missing time

1356
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,660
yeah there's a lot to the hypnosis

1357
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:11,520
that's bizarre um

1358
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,280
the interesting thing is is that I kind

1359
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:17,280
of leave it with the hypnosis is this is

1360
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:19,079
that

1361
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:22,980
during hypnosis and the weird thing is

1362
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,339
is that it's possible but it's not

1363
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,040
probable that I actually was

1364
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:31,500
communicating with whatever it was that

1365
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:32,579
was there

1366
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,280
like a physical it was energy

1367
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,559
that the blue lights or the life forms

1368
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:43,920
itself and the communications that I was

1369
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,140
doing with during the hypnosis was

1370
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,780
through the those which would call life

1371
00:52:53,410 --> 00:52:51,119
form but it wasn't like a physical

1372
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:53,420
person like I'm talking years in energy

1373
00:52:59,290 --> 00:52:56,700
and the interesting thing is is that

1374
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:59,300
it's possible that

1375
00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:01,800
this is where it gets complicated that

1376
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,980
even what was going on may have been my

1377
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:07,440
own Consciousness from the future coming

1378
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:08,520
back

1379
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:13,500
hmm so it's it's just what came out it

1380
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:15,660
it was evaluated by the intelligence

1381
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:17,940
agencies and they believe it

1382
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,980
because I've gotten told that more than

1383
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,839
once when I've spoken with some people

1384
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:23,760
about it and they brought me in to talk

1385
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,280
to me about it and one of the things

1386
00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:27,599
that people don't understand we're

1387
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:29,819
talking about technology people think

1388
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:31,800
that time has to be where you travel

1389
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:34,140
forward and back right

1390
00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:36,540
you can actually have what's do you know

1391
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,339
what time dilation is

1392
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:40,440
uh We've covered a little bit of it and

1393
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:43,020
uh yeah you can actually it can actually

1394
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,819
still be here but just in a little bit

1395
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,599
be

1396
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:48,720
slower yeah then so you can't that's the

1397
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:51,900
just as easy as you can put it where you

1398
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,059
can have things going on around you that

1399
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,640
aren't are here and but they're just a

1400
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:59,040
little bit slower in their timeline and

1401
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,180
that's one of the weapons they're

1402
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:02,819
working on is to be able to cloak

1403
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:06,540
so cloaking is where you slow down the

1404
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:10,200
time field that it's in with plasmas and

1405
00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:13,500
it disappears but it's there but it's

1406
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,300
not there because it's in a different

1407
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:17,040
timeline

1408
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,780
stuff and then you have time slaps where

1409
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:27,119
people go to like Union Station and it

1410
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:28,380
looks like the 20s and everybody's

1411
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:30,540
dressed like the 20s and then we'll see

1412
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,280
that's going back that's going back and

1413
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:34,680
forth in time what I'm doing at is there

1414
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:36,119
could be stuff here right among us

1415
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,800
remember how Bigelow said they're here

1416
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,780
and then like this yeah they could be

1417
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,760
here but you just can't see them because

1418
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:44,400
of that Distortion and the reason why

1419
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:45,960
these sensors and stuff are starting to

1420
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,700
pick up some of the stuff is because

1421
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,160
they've gotten to the point where they

1422
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:53,119
can pick up different types of

1423
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:55,619
dilation and stuff like that do you

1424
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,780
think that's okay do you think maybe

1425
00:55:01,849 --> 00:54:59,400
that's how they travel because they're

1426
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,859
manipulating time and space uh I don't

1427
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:03,839
know you got to talk to it you know that

1428
00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:05,460
we're working on that we're trying to

1429
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:08,339
get some viable answers but yeah it

1430
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:10,200
could be that you know they could be

1431
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:12,839
doing both yeah but the time violation

1432
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:15,240
is real okay that's just a fact whether

1433
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:17,220
we could time travel forward or back I

1434
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:19,079
don't know you know they're working on

1435
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,420
it they're working on being able to drop

1436
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:23,339
us working on being able to do like they

1437
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:24,839
did in Star Trek where you transport

1438
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:27,059
from one area to another they're working

1439
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:29,339
on telepathy Communications this is all

1440
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:31,619
stuff it's on it's actually being worked

1441
00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:34,619
on not just on the drawing board so are

1442
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,839
they probably working with these em

1443
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:38,640
frequencies and stuff on time travel

1444
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:41,579
yeah but the difference is is for sure

1445
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,140
time violation is real and it explains a

1446
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,240
lot of things that why they could be

1447
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,880
here and we could not be seeing them

1448
00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:52,500
so do you think you being in close

1449
00:55:58,010 --> 00:55:56,220
proximity to This Light uh Source you

1450
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:58,020
entered maybe that that field because

1451
00:56:01,849 --> 00:55:59,220
people are saying you've been gone for

1452
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,859
40 minutes they could have created that

1453
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,660
actual our government may have been able

1454
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,000
to create a time dilation bubble yes

1455
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:08,640
okay well we went inside a bubble where

1456
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,859
everything was different right and did

1457
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:13,680
you so did you feel that well if you

1458
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:15,780
think about it we went into a bubble

1459
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:17,579
that was slower than the real bubble

1460
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:20,040
where we were so that could explain why

1461
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:22,020
we were 45 minutes slow

1462
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:23,280
right

1463
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:25,380
and was this light conscious like did

1464
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,000
you feel there was a Consciousness to it

1465
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:29,819
or did it just seem like it was just a

1466
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,300
light source when I was there I didn't

1467
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:35,940
get that feeling but under hypnosis yeah

1468
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:39,180
I did in other words it comes out that

1469
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:41,099
they were communicating with us while we

1470
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:43,260
were out there but again I want to be

1471
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:45,240
clear about this so this doesn't blow up

1472
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:46,680
this is what there's a difference

1473
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:48,780
between what you remember and what the

1474
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,020
hypnosis says but I could tell you that

1475
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:54,720
the intelligence agencies have reviewed

1476
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:57,240
this hypnosis tape and they believe it's

1477
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,740
viable

1478
00:57:02,030 --> 00:57:00,180
that's crazy and the fact that you have

1479
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:02,040
to go to Wright-Patterson Air Forces I

1480
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,000
got the straight you got to go to

1481
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:04,559
Wright-Patterson Air Force for the heart

1482
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:07,260
or just a VA for the heart no I had to

1483
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:08,640
go to Ray Patterson that's where he

1484
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,800
evaluated me after I got sick and then

1485
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:13,200
wolverh Hall evaluated my eyes

1486
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,720
well that's where I went to Wilford

1487
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,940
Hall's the main it's like you know it's

1488
00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:20,640
the main hospital for the Air Force and

1489
00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:22,980
then right Patterson at the time didn't

1490
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,980
know it but it's we're supposedly

1491
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,839
these people claim that there's all

1492
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,700
kinds of testing and work going on with

1493
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:31,920
this type of Technology right and it

1494
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:34,200
would have interest in your case if you

1495
00:57:38,589 --> 00:57:36,180
came close to either Wonder technology

1496
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:38,599
or another technology

1497
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,160
probably because why are my records

1498
00:57:45,049 --> 00:57:42,960
classified otherwise yeah that's a good

1499
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,059
point that's a very good point

1500
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,559
yeah and you can't go to a regular

1501
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,900
doctor that may start talking well I

1502
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:50,400
actually would that that's the strange

1503
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,140
thing okay a couple of things that

1504
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,000
happened just recently

1505
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:55,680
um there the va's having trouble with

1506
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,680
keeping doctors so where I live it's not

1507
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,960
a big metropolitan area so I have to go

1508
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:03,119
to Danville for cardiologists and they

1509
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:06,059
keep they keep quitting so they tried to

1510
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:07,980
put me in the community to care but when

1511
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:09,660
I went and saw the civilian cardiologist

1512
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,059
they gave them two pages or three pages

1513
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,640
of what currently was going on but they

1514
00:58:17,569 --> 00:58:16,319
wouldn't let them do an echo or do

1515
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,579
anything else so he tried to change

1516
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,200
everything he had to resubmit it to him

1517
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:21,119
so they pulled me off and they got a

1518
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,880
doctor read in down in Danville that I

1519
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,440
could see that could continue to treat

1520
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:27,359
my heart and then when I got covered

1521
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:29,220
last year you know how they do Echoes on

1522
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,260
your heart afterwards the VA wouldn't

1523
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,599
allow the civilian hospital to do it I

1524
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:35,280
had to go down to the VA a couple of

1525
00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:37,740
weeks later and have my heart checked

1526
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:39,780
out that way wow so they do have control

1527
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:42,180
over what medical procedures are being

1528
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:44,099
done like they seem to have an oversight

1529
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:51,589
wow which is crazy because an EKG is

1530
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:53,880
just a piece of paper reading no side

1531
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:56,099
EKG it's an echo an echocardium oh

1532
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,680
echocardiogram okay ECG but still like

1533
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,359
you wouldn't think that it would be that

1534
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,880
damning of evidence unless there's

1535
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,619
clearly something anomalous about your

1536
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:07,440
heart rate or the damage to your eye it

1537
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:08,819
would be something that a normal doctor

1538
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:10,740
might almost look at and say what the

1539
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:12,180
hell is this I've never seen anything

1540
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:13,980
like it maybe that this is just me

1541
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:16,680
guessing but well maybe I can't speak

1542
00:59:20,109 --> 00:59:18,119
for the heart but I can speak for the

1543
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:20,119
eye because

1544
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:23,400
that when I was out in Arizona so I was

1545
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:25,319
very tightly controlled at bigger

1546
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:26,760
facilities but when I moved back to

1547
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:28,740
Illinois they don't have that type of

1548
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,559
facilities so the very first time I went

1549
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:34,319
in to be evaluated well first of all

1550
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:35,700
they didn't want to release me from

1551
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,040
Arizona to here and so when the lady

1552
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,599
called me back I was laughing I said

1553
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,040
they're going to pay travel pay for me

1554
00:59:44,329 --> 00:59:42,720
to go back over to Arizona every year

1555
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:44,339
she goes that's a good point she got

1556
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:45,780
back to me a day later and says they're

1557
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,940
going to sign you over to us so when I

1558
00:59:51,069 --> 00:59:49,500
went down to my heart I had to go see

1559
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:51,079
the chief of Cardiology in Indianapolis

1560
00:59:56,270 --> 00:59:53,400
he handles everything through their

1561
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:56,280
other cardiologists but for my eye I

1562
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,960
went in to see him the first time the

1563
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,760
eye doctor was looking at my eyes she

1564
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,740
stops and she starts looking and puts

1565
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,599
these drops in and gets really into it

1566
01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:05,760
and she goes um

1567
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:07,740
hold on I have to leave the room and she

1568
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:09,180
left the room and was gone like 30

1569
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:11,220
minutes came back she said okay I know

1570
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:13,740
what's going on now she said so uh

1571
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:15,900
you're gonna be farmed over to Peoria

1572
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:18,839
and they'll take care of you from now on

1573
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:22,680
um so she saw something in my eye that

1574
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,859
was there that they don't want

1575
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,599
you know they couldn't stop me from

1576
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,520
going to an eye doctor or even a

1577
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:31,920
cardiologist but they wouldn't know the

1578
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:33,900
symptoms that's why I had certain things

1579
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:35,819
done before the VA got in the middle of

1580
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:37,380
it with my heart that didn't need to be

1581
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:39,000
done the first time because they

1582
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,160
couldn't figure it out so I don't know

1583
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:42,960
what it is but there's something there

1584
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:46,200
that they don't want the general you

1585
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:48,420
know the like the regular doctors to

1586
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:50,940
know about and John is it which eye is

1587
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:53,160
it that uh she freaked out about my

1588
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:56,099
right your right eye okay that's where

1589
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,920
the hole in the eye wall is right and

1590
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:00,720
stuff so and when you were near this

1591
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:02,760
craft were you closer on the right hand

1592
01:01:08,089 --> 01:01:06,180
side to it or were you facing it well

1593
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:08,099
well I don't know I mean we were first

1594
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:10,619
the face with it we hit the ground so I

1595
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:12,660
don't know what I did I don't remember

1596
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,540
either time what I did as we got close

1597
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:18,000
to it everything's kind of a blur still

1598
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,280
to this day well John your story is

1599
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,980
amazing and uh you know we're we're full

1600
01:01:28,609 --> 01:01:25,920
Believers in what happened because you

1601
01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:28,619
know 43 years later you're still singing

1602
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,839
the same tune and and you're sticking to

1603
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:32,280
your guns and you've had all these

1604
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,380
incidences that are proven your book

1605
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:36,960
proves that as well uh Louis do you have

1606
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:38,579
any final questions for us yeah let's

1607
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:40,440
just mention John's books uh so you're

1608
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,940
obviously in the book that you co-wrote

1609
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:43,440
with Nick Pope encounter in red ocean

1610
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:46,260
Forest but also uh weaponization of an

1611
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:49,020
unidentified aerial phenomenon where

1612
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,700
else can people find your information or

1613
01:01:55,609 --> 01:01:53,220
where can they follow you I I don't have

1614
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:55,619
a web page I have a Facebook page so if

1615
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:57,480
you want to come on there I put stuff on

1616
01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:58,500
there

1617
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,020
um we're going to be on the X so that's

1618
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,299
we're getting ready to do our first we

1619
01:02:06,589 --> 01:02:05,220
we've been replaying the old phenomena

1620
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,599
radio show I used to do with Linda

1621
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,220
Moulton Howe but we're going to start

1622
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:10,740
doing doc many documentaries um

1623
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,020
presenting evidence and stuff so we'll

1624
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:14,880
be on the X so you can go through

1625
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,940
YouTube on the X or through the x or

1626
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:20,160
through my Facebook page John F Burrows

1627
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:22,920
you know so other than that that's

1628
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:24,420
pretty much it for me to give me all of

1629
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:26,760
me and the books available on Amazon so

1630
01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:29,040
awesome and we are very excited to join

1631
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:31,140
the X Network as well it's been a long

1632
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:33,480
time coming we were selective on who we

1633
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:35,099
wanted to work with and uh they're a

1634
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,020
phenomenal program again their website

1635
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,960
is onxnetwork.com and after February

1636
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:42,000
12th UAP studies podcast will be

1637
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:44,280
featured uh we'll have our own page and

1638
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:46,200
again for our own show right now you can

1639
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:48,900
find us on YouTube Spotify Apple podcast

1640
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:50,819
and and that type of thing Facebook

1641
01:02:55,549 --> 01:02:53,460
Twitter but I wanted to say thank you

1642
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:55,559
very much John Burroughs it's uh it's

1643
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,240
awesome to talk to you we can tell at

1644
01:03:01,250 --> 01:02:59,940
least my BS filter says this is legit I

1645
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:01,260
don't feel like you've embellished

1646
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:03,660
anything I've heard you speak many other

1647
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,540
times it's basically the same every time

1648
01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:08,880
I don't think you're in this for the uh

1649
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,740
for the credit or you want to be a big

1650
01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:12,720
shot celebrity you just want the story

1651
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,579
to be known and there's probably a lot

1652
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:16,559
of other people that are similar or had

1653
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:18,180
similar experiences that maybe don't

1654
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:20,819
feel as comfortable but you're an

1655
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:22,680
inspiration to those people there are

1656
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:24,420
people that still deserve to be taken

1657
01:03:29,150 --> 01:03:26,520
care of that were injured over there and

1658
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:29,160
for me I don't mind talking about it and

1659
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,920
but I want the story from my perspective

1660
01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:33,599
out there that's what I've always wanted

1661
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:35,640
and know I'm not looking to get famous

1662
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:38,280
and stuff or anything like that but I'm

1663
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:40,140
also trying to help some other people

1664
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,420
that deserve care like Adrian and I got

1665
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:44,880
never mind trying to work with Congress

1666
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,500
and some other things right now that

1667
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,000
we're doing let's put out more

1668
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:50,880
information so let the public decide you

1669
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,500
know what we're doing with not only bent

1670
01:03:57,170 --> 01:03:54,000
Waters but maybe what we're dealing with

1671
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,180
today yeah nice nicely said well thank

1672
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,799
you so much for coming on the UAP

1673
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:00,599
studies podcast John we appreciate it

1674
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:01,980
hopefully this is not the only time

1675
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:04,260
let's have you back on again uh maybe

1676
01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:05,880
we'll we're thinking about doing panels

1677
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:07,559
in the future it'd be great to have you

1678
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,180
on a panel with other experts as well

1679
01:04:12,530 --> 01:04:11,280
that would be great thanks appreciate it

1680
01:04:15,049 --> 01:04:12,540
guys have a great experience your

1681
01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:15,059
weekend thank you sir